Obvious this is a HOT topic bringing up passionate views and strong opinions between people.
I thought that I would share my personal views of this topic here privately (semi-publicly) for my family and close friends, if they would like to know my views on this subject.
A big reason WHY this is a HOT topic is because the information on this topic is so volatile, that many reading it (even on here) have the ability (depending on which demons they entertain) to get so angry or enraged as they read this or other similar articles, and they can NOT (or dare NOT) allow their hearts or brains to comprehend the depth to which this subject goes to, or which it contains. (it is a deep subject matter and should be approached as such)
For example; when my children were small, and I slowly had beginning, small, or vague glimpses into the unholy, worldly, and uncharted paths my ex-husband was leading us down as a family (not aware of the consequences) but knowing that he was going against what I was taught as a youth, this helped me gain a knowing and I now understand many of these things that now, being older and wiser, has taught me.
(one gains wisdom eternally).
For Starters regarding this; There are many excellent quotes that wise, world leaders have said over the past few weeks which I will share below, that I thought were excellent.
The New Pope (Catholic faith) said;
"Let's NOT be naive, we're not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God, we are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God."
Famous Christian Leader Rick Warren (his church is just a few miles from our home) said;
"Our culture has accepted two huge lies. The first is that if you disagree with someone's lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don't have to compromise convictions to be compassionate."
Following the delivery of a petition by the Human Rights Campaign, the LDS Church issued the following statement through the spokesman Michael Otterson;
"My name is Michael Otterson. I am here representing the leadership of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to address the matter of the petition presented today by the Human Rights Campaign. While we disagree with the Human Rights Campaign on many fundamentals, we also share some common ground. This past week we have all witnessed tragic deaths across the country as a result of bullying or intimidation of gay young men. We join our voice with others in unreserved condemnation of acts of cruelty or attempts to belittle or mock any group or individual that is different – whether those differences arise from race, religion, mental challenges, social status, sexual orientation or for any other reason. Such actions simply have no place in our society.
This Church has felt the bitter sting of persecution and marginalization early in our history, when we were too few in numbers to adequately protect ourselves and when society’s leaders often seemed disinclined to help. Our parents, young adults, teens and children should therefore, of all people, be especially sensitive to the vulnerable in society and be willing to speak out against bullying or intimidation whenever it occurs, including unkindness toward those who are attracted to others of the same sex. This is particularly so in our own Latter-day Saint congregations. Each Latter-day Saint family and individual should carefully consider whether their attitudes and actions toward others properly reflect Jesus Christ’s second great commandment - to love one another.
As a church, our doctrinal position is clear: any sexual activity outside of marriage is wrong, and we define marriage as between a man and a woman. However, that should never, ever be used as justification for unkindness. Jesus Christ, whom we follow, was clear in His condemnation of sexual immorality, but never cruel. His interest was always to lift the individual, never to tear down.
Further, while the Church is strongly on the record as opposing same-sex marriage, it has openly supported other rights for gays and lesbians such as protections in housing or employment.
The Church’s doctrine is based on love. We believe that our purpose in life is to learn, grow and develop, and that God’s unreserved love enables each of us to reach our potential. None of us is limited by our feelings or inclinations. Ultimately, we are free to act for ourselves.
The Church recognizes that those of its members who are attracted to others of the same sex experience deep emotional, social and physical feelings. The Church distinguishes between feelings or inclinations on the one hand and behavior on the other. It’s not a sin to have feelings, only in yielding to temptation.
There is no question that this is difficult, but Church leaders and members are available to help lift, support and encourage fellow members who wish to follow Church doctrine. Their struggle is our struggle. Those in the Church who are attracted to someone of the same sex but stay faithful to the Church’s teachings can be happy during this life and perform meaningful service in the Church. They can enjoy full fellowship with other Church members, including attending and serving in temples, and ultimately receive all the blessings afforded to those who live the commandments of God.
Obviously, some will disagree with us. We hope that any disagreement will be based on a full understanding of our position and not on distortion or selective interpretation. The Church will continue to speak out to ensure its position is accurately understood.
God’s universal fatherhood and love charges each of us with an innate and reverent acknowledgement of our shared human dignity. We are to love one another. We are to treat each other with respect as brothers and sisters and fellow children of God, no matter how much we may differ from one another.
We hope and firmly believe that within this community, and in others, kindness, persuasion and goodwill can prevail."
All of these statements are excellent, intelligent, wise and beautifully delivered ...BUT what about if you are someone who is convinced that religion is just a folly, and you don't believe in a God, or in the "statements" of those who profess to have their faith in this unseen power or agenda?
Many people who are atheist OR agnostic will not listen to words from those who use the words "God", "Satan", or "Religion" ,
...so what of them? How do they use common sense...the sense they were born with, given to them by God ??
Having grown up feeling an unseen great love, knowing and feeling this priesthood power, using faith to live by, and being "religious", and then later living a life almost as long without it, more scientifically, medically, experiencing life first hand, and being taught to believe there is NO "God", adversary, and/or that religious people are liars, deceivers and unenlightened, I was worldly!
I have come to these understandings below on this HOT topic:
**Religion taught me to treat my body well and to 'do' or 'not do' certain things with this beautiful gift, by having faith that these I was taught from a 'religious' point of view or words, were true and correct.
Later science and life's experiences then taught me the reasons 'why". How the body functions correctly, what is "good" for it, and/or how to treat it well. I love the subject of Science, so this was sooooo fascinating to me then, and today.
Gee, I soon noticed that most of science actually is paralleled to the faith taught instructions of treating a body as a temple, which I had learned in my youth. I was amazed! So, I came to realize that science and religion surely saw eye to eye on this matter.
How can this be?
That is why, I feel, that I have always had a great love for science/nutrition/and the human body!
I experienced and learned that what substances which goes into the body are very important to health, as well as what stays in the body is very important to learn, and what NEVER should go in and/or comes out and should stay out which is wastes, poisons, or by-products/un-needed substances, which actually can be quite harmful to a living organism, if not flushed away are extremely important to learn for DISEASE or LIFE.
Thus in the Homosexual life-style of perverted sexual acts, (acts that go against science or a religious belief) of putting others body fluids into a body part whose function is to absorb nutrients after a long process of digestion, and then for immediate elimination of these poisons is proven scientifically to indeed be harmful if practiced, or in religious terms/words would be described as 'evil', 'bad', satanic, or overall NOT good on all levels.
So in describing my experience of living a life of 'faith and religion' in my youth vs. my many years of living a life of only science/medical based learning, I learned that other words CAN describe the same identical explanations, truths, or definitions.
So, I began to see 'why' religion and science are NOT that far apart, and how common sense and religion explain the exact same things often, but in different words.
Only, in faith, actions are acted upon blindly while having faith in the unseen only to later find out that thankfully was the correct choice to make.
OK. so it was not hard for me to believe and finally clearly see that being a Homosexual is not only 'gross/distasteful/wrong/perverted' physically, but anyone possessed with wisdom, common sense, or intelligence, would then chose to NOT believe in, practice, or encourage such harmful/unhealthy acts or support its lifestyle or believe in it's agenda.
So 'why' are so many people so 'understanding' (supportive) of Homosexuals?
This is my opinion.
As I grow older, I come to find the world a place devoid of love, kindness, respect, honor, and caring. This is difficult for humans to function in a world like this, since all of us are born with tender 'love', 'trusting', 'caring', in our hearts as babies and children, so we innately long for this to be among others and exist in the world in adulthood.
Where do we find it? Who around us possesses it?
As most of us look around, most often the ONLY visible people (or who society glorifies or accepts to have these gentle Godly traits) are those called "Gay" or Homosexuals, Lesbians etc.
(side note: Unbeknownst to most in this world I have found many L.D.S. people, families, and acquaintances I grew up with and still know today to be some of THE MOST gentle, self-less, kind, forgiving, caring, good, and powerfully loving humans on this planet, and they are Heterosexual. )
Often because of these Homosexual groups having a label of meekness, love etc, and our longing for a world or relationship of "Love", Kindness, and Caring...more often than not, we as a society easily get confused (ESPECIALLY the young who have not lived much of life;s experience) with believing that these traits are innately connected ONLY to those practicing perverted, gross, unnecessary, un-clean, biologically backwards, poisoning acts which we see the same sex groups profess to participate in, that go against biology/nature and our precious body's normal function.
Thankfully, all of my relationships in this life did NOT get into experiencing this lifestyle.
From seeing others around me though, I found that mixed with a low self-esteem of ones body and soul, this LOVE, human touch, caring, which human's are 'craving' in our world today people are being taught that in order to feel, or see, or contact this powerful driving energy, they must surely ONLY find it with "these types" of individuals or groups society is highlighting. Simply Not True.
It is NOT until a person finds this same JOY, KINDNESS, POWERFUL LOVE, in those who do not practice the same 'unsafe medically' and (even MORE unknown to young naive people) 'Spiritually damning' perverted sexual acts that they begin to separate the two ideas.
Example; (and I say this with only kindness in my heart)
My own boys grew up being extremely sensitive, kind, loving, caring boys who grew up knowing this love/motherly protection from me. Then sadly due to their father's bitterness after our divorce they were torn from my nurturing world in their youth and for many years now have been alienated from me and this pure motherly love.
Knowing their father is an extreme controlling, domineering and demanding man of great bitterness, I am positive he (from what I have witnessed and many other tell me) became even more so in my absence to not only compensate for his pain in the divorce but as a defense in making sure that my boys would never see me again in their lives so that he can hurt me, is what he tells others. (Long Story)
This is such a ball and chain for children, that when finally let lose in the world as adults (and when they are free from this oppression), it is naturally easy for them to go to the extreme and want extreme freedom and true heartfelt love.
In turn, if unprepared with TRUTH, they will be easily gravitate or show great attraction towards finding those who 'profess' to practice this same kind of 'freedom', 'love' and 'gentleness', or 'meekness', they grew up with in my home, mixed with their new so called freedom of living with their extremely bitter and controlling father.
In my opinion, this deadly mix is why my older children (from what they have personally told me) are drawn to or support the Homosexual groups and their lifestyles or agendas. In reality from all I know and have witnessed, they really are just being drawn to these two concepts of 'heartfelt love' and ' irresponsible freedom', without a moral compass, from being taught and told by their father to fear or hate wisdom often coming from religious channels. They are lead to find these traits ONLY in the Homosexual groups, when in reality these are only their tools of these groups to bring about their lustful and perverted choices onto the un-suspecting.
I feel, that the reasons why these types of lifestyles are being so highly publicized, rallied for, popularized today if accepted, or even forced upon our society, is so that the many who are living these choices THEN don't feel the sense of guilt that is associated with going against a healthy flow of LIFE, whether hatefully known or innocently deceived of truth.
In my opinion, many times (if not always) those who are attracted to the same sex have learned or accepted these rationalizations, activities, or beliefs that the same sex is so much BETTER or somehow more tolerable acceptable, more loving, and/or more attractable mainly due from a time in their lives when hatred for the opposite sex overwhelms us and we see what seems to be a better path... to stay away from the feared mis-understood opposite sex.
I have seen in mine and others live's that sometimes in our lives when we did not have a clear understanding WHY the opposite sex (Mother or Father, spouse etc.) acted or did particular angry causing behaviors which we the immature, or anyone of the opposite sex person, could not understand the love or reasons behind their actions during ours (or their) youth or naive stage of life, which will bring about an anger so consuming that we resolve to harbor a knowing or unknowing disdain or abhorrent attitude towards the opposite sex, leading us to believe we should find relationships ONLY with the same sex... whether we will admit it or not.
I actually had a gay acquaintance who I knew briefly from college and was listed as one of my friends on FB, who "seemed" so funny, kind, non-prejudice, gentle etc. (all the traits homosexuals love to profess they represent) ...but he soon among his posts he began to voice his anger and frustration towards certain of his family members (and subtly towards the opposite sex) on FB... all the while 'professing' how carefree, non-predjudice and loving he was towards everyone.
Then one day, the truth came out.
After he had posted some of his frustration online regarding his family members, myself and others left (in a loving way) comments on his page and in private that perhaps in this situation of his, "simple communications" and forgiveness could EASILY correct his frustration and difficult situation. He sent me a message of hate which shocked me!
He immediately and without warning then 'de-friend-ed' myself and the others!
In these cases if they, (this old college acquaintance, myself, my children, these same sex groups, or anyone in general) who harbor these ill feelings and do not believe in, or have NOT been taught to forgive or communicate (which act can actually later bring much understandings into one's life of the mis-understood behaviors of the others, especially towards the opposite sex who may have been older and wiser when they did or did not do what has been presumed or perceived as wrong ) that these are those people who are easily lead astray to do that which brings a damnation spiritually and physically.
("damnation", like a dam which holds back water, simply meaning a stopping of your physical, spiritual, emotional, mental etc. progression towards lasting real eternal joy which is attainable or reached when you are not being damned)
Then, when those persons are given the solution to bring them new or better understanding or enlightenment on a subject, they will quickly be angered, defensive, in denial of needing enlightenment, and/or 'de-friend' those trying to help.
This I saw clearly in life, and others, AND have witnessed this in my own oldest male children who are actually being encouraged and supported to behave in this damning (a stopping behavior) and hateful way, even after they have chosen a heterosexual lifestyle with their female wives!
I, personally, have actually felt and experienced these same "real and justifying" feelings, thinking, and incredibly intense hatred for the opposite sex (for only a few moments mind you) in my own life, (shortly after a few months into my (what I thought would be a cordial and co-operative) divorce) which quickly turned into a bitter un-cooperative divorce.
Looking back now, I realize that these feelings, thoughts and mis-understandings (which I COULD HAVE easily acted upon in a real way with complete confidence and justification not knowing the consequences)... were actually an intense (unbeknownst to all unsuspecting) a REAL, actual unseen, unknown, unsuspecting, and misunderstood hatred toward the opposite sex. What I am saying.... is that a person would NOT even know they have this hatred in them!! (how could they?....I didn't)
However, in my case, I found these brief thoughts and feelings to be quite amazingly, interesting, and testifying as to 'why' others go down or chose this path in life, and found a new understanding for myself of how gays and lesbians are driven or lead to find themselves in this way of life! (ESPECIALLY if society does nothing to discourage it, explain it, and/or even wholeheartedly supports it)
Now this may NOT be what happens to all people...but it was what gave me incredible INSIGHT.
Thankfully and wisely, without prejudice, I did not peruse this feeling, this choice, or lifestyle, or act upon it; although rightfully in my mind, at that cross roads, I could have easily turned to this lifestyle, this choice, and without guilt or remorse, allowed myself these feelings to harbor... and exist in me, to be explored in actions, (or without actions such as sexual acts) with justification!
Does this make sense??
BUT thankfully then and especially now today, instead I only accepted this knowledge as a 'new understanding' of how others are lead to these choices and reasons for doing what they do. Thankfully, I then continued on my path of returning back to my roots of a life taught of great wisdom from generations of my mothers and fathers of the past and of a 'religious moral compass' which they and I had for generations in our lives, which I have found brings eternal, lasting happiness and life! Which exists between male and female only.
Sadly today, out of great concern and with forgiveness in my heart, I now see that it was my ex who (whether intentional or not) was more than willing (and THE bitter instrument) (whether I knew it or not back then) in creating this deadly or damning path (not negatively) (if pursued) for me, which thankfully I wisely did not allow these feelings/thoughts/anger to then lead me to a life involving these damning or uncontrollable deadly consequences, which later would have to have been dealt with in negative outcomes.
Again, (Thankfully and Wisely) I did not entertain or chose to follow these feelings, behaviors, and (believe it or not) purely justifiable thoughts back then, and/or chose this path of same sex relationships which are so popular today.
Again, I do not profess to know exactly what may or may not drive others to have these feelings and choices they have today, ...other than what I have personally felt, experienced, or have seen in my own life and the lives of some of my close acquaintances and their family members. Take it at that...it is MY experience. It may or may not be your similar path...but PLEASE consider it....with an open mind. ☺
Naturally, I am now assuming that because my gentle 'father-in-heaven-like' boys are believing (with all their hearts and justifiably) that 'Gays' or homosexuals gentle "free" lifestyles are to be fervidly supported, protected or sympathized with, (especially with how they now feel once they are out of their fathers very restrictive, non-free agency home) (which I know so much about), that this behavior certainly stems from their great hatred for their female mother (the opposite sex) (instilled in them by my bitter ex and his agenda to destroy these boys that are so much like me, their mother)....and their drive to find the heartfelt gentle "love" they once felt...that they feel they are missing, AND mixed with their need for irresponsible freedom....may be MORE correct than not.
Of course, they may feel this way, since they recognize that being gentle, loving, and caring is a 'good' thing (which it is) and that having no restrictions also feels "GOOD". Especially if they have found people/friends/acquaintances, who show this very much craved 'love' through their misunderstood actions and/or maybe even through that persons sexual energy found in the same sex.
Very confusing, yet very real to the young naive or unsuspecting.
It is not until a person can separate the acts from the feelings, from what is eternally right or wrong, verses what feels good for a short while, will a person understand the common sense behind NOT doing sexual or other acts that go against the physical body and spiritual body (world) and/or the natural flow of things which ends in a damnation. (a stopping of physical and spiritual progression)
These truths I have been blessed to come to 'know' in this life.
This topic is NOT to be taken lightly. Going into waters that bring spiritual death/damnation are very deadly. Just as those who work with (unseen to the naked eye) deadly viruses in our physical outward world chose to wear protective masks, suits, rooms equipment, ... so should those who deal with just as serious spiritual matters. The young are usually the ones who do not know this until it is too late, or does damage.
Side Note; When Austin and Jordan were small (Jordan a baby) I had a dream (more of a vivid vision since I remember it well as though it happened in the physical or real life)
In this vision there was a man in a white suit. He was dressed in white, glowing and handsome, pleasant to the eye, sandy blonde hair, perfect just like a God. I wondered who he was.
He was looking at Austin and I could read his thoughts. As he looked at Austin I heard him say something along the lines that Austin was too strong and set in his ways to deceive or 'get' to. Then he looked at Jordan and said "hummmm, this kid will be easier to work on".
It scared the wits out of me! So I immediately started singing in my mind a beautiful Godly song called "I am a Child of God"... hoping to drive this super good-looking, deceiving fallen-angel man away, only to see him then look right at me and start singing along with me this same song. As I looked back at him in bewilderment, he said to me "see I can sing it too, JUST like you" as he smiled the most beautiful wicked smile, and sent a horrid chill through my soul.
I then quickly (in this dream) raised my arm to the square and said "in the name of Jesus Christ" .....to which he then immediately disappeared and I immediately woke up from this real dream or vivid vision in bewilderment. I quickly ran to see if my children were safe asleep in their beds.
(At that time I lived in Mission Viejo, CA. near to where I live now.)
I found them safely asleep at that time, but I then pondered what it all meant! To this day I have never forgotten it, as though it happened yesterday and I have often wondered why God showed me this.
As the years have gone by, and I have seen Austin and Jordan grow and develop, I have found what this fallen angel said to be quite true very often. Austin has a steady character, firm, obedient, strong in his will to do good and although he can be deceived for a short while, he comes quickly to his senses most often, and will not be persuaded to make choices that will bring him bad eternal consequences.
Jordan, on the other-hand, is very sensitive, angers easily, forgives less quickly, and then (having this quick temper) is then easily mislead; very much like a child who does not know better who can easily be told to do bad things while he is angry.... which could confuse him into doing the wrong things.
Things which he does not understand and eventually will bring him pain and misery in life. I just witnessed this recently with him and his choices to do wrong with this mother. The only positive thing about this characteristic in Jordan, is that usually when Jordan gets angry, he lets out his frustration and then can move on from it but ONLY if he can forgive also. Hopefully this will save him from too much heartache and downfall.
With these two personalities, bring into the mix a bitter divorce between myself and their dad (who out of his anger has sworn to physically and spiritually destroy our children; whether out of his knowing or lack of knowing through his bitterness it is still the same), and see how it can wreak havoc in their, and everyone's around them, lives.
I pray often that this sad situation is not true and or can be corrected... but evidence speaks otherwise. I just pray with all my heart that they will not become bitter and hard-hearted like their dad Bernd.
All this does not mean that all of my boys do not have free agency once they leave their fathers home, to make their own choices which will lead them to happiness or freedom of bitterness (even if their bitter dad does his best to keep a tight hold on them even into adulthood)
They are free to chose, lifestyles that go against the laws of nature and bring damnation, or those principles which can bring eternal happiness, myself and their dad (he may or may not have) taught them was right or wrong.
Unfortunately first hand, I do know that for years my ex-husband taught myself and my boys that there was no spiritual damnation or no consequences to wrong choices, to which (thankfully in time) I learned was a BIG lie and have now changed my life back to what I was taught in my youth when I lived and now live the Mormon faith and had/have an incredibly good mantel or light to show me the way to live in such a way as to not fall into these same pitfalls that others knowingly or unknowingly set for others like myself and my children.
I have taken responsibility for my own choices and through prayer and communication AND a broken charitable heart forgiven others who have lead me astray from time to time.
Especially for those who have a bitter hatred for myself or those like me.
** Thus, we come back to the "same sex" topic that so many of society and my two oldest boys, and the "younger crowd" are now believing in, fighting for, and now show support for on their Internet profiles even if they have chosen Heterosexual lifestyles.
From all I have learned and experienced in life on this same subject, and from all I have seen and experienced, I have come to learn that this life style that seems so carefree, pleasant, "loving", gentle, and the everything goes;
is accompanied by lust, selfishness, hate, misunderstandings, lack of communication etc...
which in turn leads to eternal consequences that will damn a soul and keep it from experiencing real and lasting JOY.
You see, taking on the burdens of a life of "responsibility", hard-work, serving others, forgiveness, sacrifice, is what makes a simple child or person into a respected, honored, and feared man of great wisdom, caring, and true love.
So too, making these same sacrifices in a physical relationship also brings about these same positive, healthy spiritual and physical results or consequences.
Like a man who works his whole life to study hard, who sacrifice the night-life of sexual freedom to do what ever "feels" good, or similar 'partying' activities with his friends but chooses to live a clean life, treating his/her body and living spirit to clean, and wholesome activities; this person soon comes to the knowledge that life is eternal and that by making these same sacrifices early in life, even when he could not see the end results, indeed brought him to great-hood and brought good and lasting positive consequences.
(It sort of reminds me of a child who eats candy excessively in his youth vs. the child who ate mostly vegetables and healthy promoting substances and what each of their consequences may very likely be)
These so called responsible, restrictive, 'no-fun', moral lifestyles and activities that same-sex marriages live or are about... are what many 'gay' relationships or many who support them are simply choosing to forget, are not willing to see, or do not want to acknowledge for what reasons I believe I gave above.
MAINLY for what lack of knowledge, forgiveness, and mis-understandings they have NOT gained in their short lives here in the physical. This is my opinion from what I have seen and know.
Indeed, I easily happen to agree with the excellent views and comments given above by these wise world leaders, NOT only in my youth and now, or because they are "religious" and I follow blindly with FAITH (which is innocent, unseen and pure in it's own right), but because (as a wise and experienced adult) I know and have learned these truths even when I was NOT religious or having God in my life for many years in life !!
For all human kind, these true and tested beliefs and facts (which they and I agree upon and have been tested for millennial, from millions of wise and intelligent men throughout history and the world), are and end in LIFE, RESPECT, and pure self-less LOVE (not LUST and LIES), whether in and of an eternal spiritual purpose and/or physical or temporal purpose.
"Correct patterns of SPIRITUAL love, and physical love can bring lasting, solid, eternal happiness, joy and peace. " (Lisa Acosta)
My above heart-felt and mind-understood statement of my TRUTH started out in life for me to only be a belief followed blindly, but NOW.... through life's experiences,....I can proudly and safely say....
My sincere prayer is that someday my children will go beyond any immature damnation (unknown hatred) they may or may not be experiencing today in their youth, stemming from their perspective of losing their loving mother in their youth; and that they will progress from these difficult trials they have gone through, and will gain these same eternal truths and knowledge of where real eternal joy and progressing love can be experienced.
That they will remember that although I do not accept or condone ( its called 'conditional love') their wrong choices or different lifestyles that I do not choose to live or entertain as they do, and also show their disrespect towards me today, that I will always have a deep Godly heartfelt (unconditional), eternal and motherly LOVE for them, no matter who or what they chose to be or do in life. I pray sincerely for their eternal success, joy and happiness ♥
In the name of Jesus Christ